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Bone Evidence, Pt 1

DISCLAIMER: The post below was NOT written by me (Lickity Snickum), it is copied verbatim, and with permission, from poster(s) on Reddit subs Making a Murderer and TickTockManitowoc

I’ve been somewhat lacking in updates of this site. I’m hoping to remedy that now.

Because I’m hitting the ground running on this project, don’t expect things to be organized – at first. Once I get rolling, things will hopefully get better, but for now … we’re runnin’ by the seat of our pants.

There is a lot of information about the wrongful conviction of Steven Avery if you know where to look for it. One of the most informative places to find this information is Reddit. Personally I stayed away from Reddit for the first 10-12 years of navigating the Internet; it struck me as an unsavory and sketchy corner of the World Wide Web that I had no interest in sampling.

Fortunately, I overcame that fear and found myself in a subreddit called “Making a Murderer”. If memory serves the subreddit was created to discuss the Netflix documentary of the same name. Over the past four and half years, due in no small part to the diligence and determination of a group of truth seeking individuals, information has been uncovered and shared that not even the most skeptical of Avery’s guilt could have imagined.

Enough from me for now …


This is Part 1 in a series of posts by user strawberryfealds that specifically looks at the evidence that was found during the investigation into Teresa Halbach’s murder.

I’ll be posting all four parts of this series this week.


Additional Reading

Asking a fire professional about what happens to the soil underneath a human body pyre (This fire professional has examined more human body fire scenes than Sturdivant did at the time of Avery’s case in 2006). In other words, Sturdivant had less experience (and testified in a murder trial) than this helpful former fire fighter… (Thank you again.)

Dr DeHaan’s opinion of the lack of pyrolysis products in the soil of Avery’s pit

Dr Elayne Pope’s opinion on a human body burning, including liquefied fats seeping into the earthen soil below

The posts above are a collective group of informative vessels for the average reader when it comes to the Avery case. Making a Murderer left out a lot of details, and most of it has to do with what the state decided to leave out of their narrative.


Important “Sources” of human bones:

Number of bones that came from inside the Halloween fire residue: Zero

Please look at all the tags confirmed Human by Eisenberg in her final report that she authored in December 2006. Each tag will be discussed below to show how no relevant bones came from the Halloween fire residue.

Out of all of the human bone tags listed above, I would like you to see just how many of them came from the original sifting that Ertl and team did from within the 4×5 burn pile on that November 8th evening, and how many more come from the tarp that was left over, bagged up, and sealed due to impending darkness that evening. The Tarp, 7923, would be sifted again on November 10th, and December 19th which yielded more human bone. Remember, Tarp 7923 is also from the original sifting done by Ertl. The same sifting that Sturdivant says they didn’t dig down into the ground on, and the sifting that Sturdivant says was concentrated in the ash/debris scattered on top of the pit, and in a central pile.

It’s clear to see from the charts below, how all of the relevant bones claimed to be burned in Avery’s pit, none of them actually came from the soil screenings taken on November 10th from the scene, and none of them actually came from the dark, hard, tire crust that was broken apart that same day.

All of the bones claimed to be burned by Avery in his pit, came from either a pile of ash/debris on top of the hard tire crust from halloween, the tarp that was created that day from the ash/debris, or from outside of the pit and surrounding areas in the days that followed (Nov 10, Nov 11).

It is important to note that 3 forensic scientists have had a chance to visually examine the bones (1 from pictures), and they all agree of the human status in the tags below. If you want to dispute the “human status” on the bones from the quarry and the Janda barrel, then you must apply the same critique to the bones in Avery’s pit, as they received the same visual exam and designation as the other bones in the other sites. They are all from the same human. That is not in dispute.

Important “Sources” of human bones:

Tag No Date Tag(s) Created Description Source
8318 Nov 8 This is the box of bones from the initial sifting of items by Ertl and crew on November 8. The items in this box are all items that were caught by their sifting process. All items in the box are from the debris and ash scattered above the tire crust from halloween that is described by Sturdivant. They took this box to Dr Bennett who looked at it on November 9. Ash and Debris on top of Avery’s pit
7923 Nov 8 Taken from the 4×5 burn area, this is the brown tarp with burnt material, originally obtained by Ertl and crew on November 8 from the central pile of ash and debris and other debris scattered above the tire crust from halloween that is described by sturdivant. The items on 7923 are the items that fell through the sifting process and did not end up in 8318 (the box of bones taken to Dr Bennett). 7923 was bagged and sealed when it got too dark on November 8, and was not opened again until the morning of November 10. Ash and Debris on top of Avery’s pit
7947 Nov 11 This tag is the items of suspected bone and teeth that were recovered south of the burn pit on November 11th during the excavation. Surrounding area of Avery’s pit, not in the burn area.
Quarry Buckets Nov 11 These tags are 8658, 8484, 8653, 8687, all found on November 9th, discussed here on audio, and collected on Nov 11. All not sifted until April 06. Yielded several human bones with cut marks, identified by Eisenberg in her final report as human. 4 Quarry sites

 

Human Bones from the top ash and debris collected from Avery’s pit on Nov 8, and the subsequent tarp created that day by Ertl and crew (7923):

Tag No Date Found Time Found Description Source
7924 Nov 10 12:40pm Various bones From 7923 – (Brown Tarp from Nov 8) sifted at Calumet Sheriff by Sturdivant and Pevytoe
7925 Nov 10 12:57pm Teeth From 7923 – (Brown Tarp from Nov 8) sifted at Calumet Sheriff by Sturdivant and Pevytoe
7926 Nov 10 12:58pm Various Bones From 7923 – (Brown Tarp from Nov 8) sifted at Calumet Sheriff by Sturdivant and Pevytoe
7936 Nov 10 12:55pm Cranial Fragment From 7923 – (Brown Tarp from Nov 8) sifted at Calumet Sheriff by Sturdivant and Pevytoe
8118 Dec 19 8:12pm Various Bones From 7923 – (Brown Tarp from Nov 8) while sifting by James Holmes of DCI
6197 Dec 19 8:55pm Bones From 7923 – (Brown Tarp from Nov 8) while sifting by James Holmes of DCI
6200 Dec 19 8:48pm Box of Teeth From 7923 – (Brown Tarp from Nov 8) sifted at Calumet Sheriff by Sturdivant and Pevytoe
9597 May 25 06 N/A Cranial fragments From 7923 as cranial fragments are said to have been from behind Avery’s garage. FBI Q11
9598 May 25 06 N/A Cranial fragments From 7923 as cranial fragments are said to have been from behind Avery’s garage. FBI Q12

 

Human bones found outside and scattered around, but not in, the 4×5 burn area (Sifted on different days):

Tag No Date Found Time Found Description Source
7943 Nov 10 7:36pm Human Bone Outside (east of) 4×5 burn area
7944 Nov 10 7:40pm Various Bones Outside (west of) 4×5 burn area
8148 Dec 20 12:22pm Various Bones From Tag 7947, originally collected November 11, Outside (south of) 4×5 burn area
8150 Dec 20 N/A Box of Teeth From Tag 7947, originally collected November 11, Outside (south of) 4×5 burn area

 

Human bones from the Janda Barrel:

Tag No Date Found Time Found Description Source
7964 Nov 12 10:38am Various Bones Janda Barrel #2, bones have cut marks caused by serrated tool, appx .030 in in width, with sawing action

 

Human bones from the Quarry:

Tag No Date Found Time Found Description Source
8675 Nov 11 11:36am Pelvic Bones Quarry Location seen here. Bones contained cuts like did the Janda barrel. Zellner says 7412 came from this pile.
7411 Apr 11 06 11:51am Box of human bones from 5 gallon bucket From Tag 8658Quarry Location 1 was found Nov 11 05. Thanks to user Temptedious for the map. Bones contained cuts like did the Janda barrel.
7412 Apr 11 06 11:55am Box of human bones from 5 gallon bucket From Tag 8484Quarry Location 4 was found Nov 11 05. Thanks to user Temptedious for the map. Zellner says 7412 came from the pelvic pile 8675.. Bones contained cuts like did the Janda barrel.
7413 Apr 11 06 2:21pm Box of human bones from 5 gallon bucket From Tag 8653Quarry location was found on Nov 11 05 at 3:08pm
7414 Apr 11 06 2:22pm Box of human bones from 5 gallon bucket From Tag 8653Quarry location was found on Nov 11 05 at 3:08pm
7416 Apr 11 06 3:02pm Box of human bones from 5 gallon bucket From Tag 8653Quarry location was found on Nov 11 05 at 3:08pm
7419 Apr 11 06 3:56pm Cut Burned Human Bone From Tag 8687Quarry Location 2 was found Nov 11 05. Thanks to user Temptedious for the map. Bones contained cuts like did the Janda barrel.

 

Human bones from inside of the dried, hard Halloween fire tire/soil surface that was broken apart on the 10th (and soil samples from burn pit):

Tag No Date Found Time Found Description Source
None N/A N/A None None

As seen above, Of all the bones identified as human in Eisenberg’s report. Not one originated from the halloween tire crust that was broken apart first on November 10th. Everything was from the surrounding areas, or top piles of ash/debris that was collected on the 8th. On the 10th and 11th, all relevant bones or teeth were found east, west, south of the burn area.

At trial, Eisenberg’s testimony is limited to Quarry pile 8675, Janda Barrel, and Avery’s pit.

Bottom line, if Teresa was burned with tires, you would expect to see some sign of it, whether bones found dried within the hard Halloween tire/soil surface, or tire residue on any of the multitude of fragments found in that top surface ash and debris pile. But there is no evidence there. It’s the reason why the argument from the State justifying the primary burn location as Avery’s pit, was the sheer quantity of bones found, and the tangling of bones in the steel belts. DeHaan crushed the steel belts theory, and the quantity theory never had much of a leg to stand on, which is why Avery was found not guilty for mutilating the body.

DeHaan has said he’s found the final location to have the most quantity of bones after they are moved, more often than not in his experience. This is what we see here.

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